Madiator's CornerHands-On: Borderlands 4 wants you to forget Borderlands 3 ever happened | VGC
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SanctusI wish Borderlands would have stayed on the vault hunting topic presented in 1. All I wanted an open world Pandora where we just hunt vaults.
One of the vault hunters is from the Traunt family. Members of which were sprinkled quite liberally around the 3rd game.
Not doing a very good job of making people forget.
jordanlund
ampersandrewThe writing in Borderlands 3 is not great, but the gameplay was a huge step up over 2. It's not a great idea to forget that Borderlands 3 happened, as it's an excellent game.
Excellent?.. Well, your experience might be different but even though I clocked way more hours at BL3, I don’t remember an inch about it. I remember lots of details and fun moments about BL1 and BL2 though.
I honestly didn't think it was any better or worse than the others. The writing wasn't good in any of them, but the gameplay was good enough. Tiny Tina was the most irritating character in the whole series and she's mainly in BL2, which is a fan favourite.
I've never thought any of them were worth buying at full price though as they all tend to feel a bit tedious about 2/3rd of the way through.
Fun fact they still haven’t fixed a bug where landing on the jakobs planet with the jungles kills some of the audio from the game on ps4/5
Not for $90...
I'll stick with my $40 Helldivers 2
At least Borderlands won't be deleted off the face of the earth someday.
I wouldnt be so confident in that statement, what happens if they delist it from a store, what happens then?
You play it offline. Most of this series even had LAN as recently as Tiny Tina's Wonderlands. It's only the GOTY edition of the first game that removed that thus far (with no mention of LAN on BL4's store page, though Pre-Sequel doesn't mention it either despite supporting the feature), but it's still playable offline in single player mode and able to be pirated in apocalyptic scenarios, which I can't say for Helldivers II.
Do you have a physical copy?? What happens when the file gets corrupted? The drive it is on dies. What then?
Physical copies are far from the be-all, end-all of game preservation, especially these days. What you really want is DRM-free. Or, failing that, easily broken DRM, which is where Borderlands lies. BL4 will launch with Denuvo, but like everyone else, it will be phased out after the release period, because Denuvo charges per month, and then it's as preservable as any other game that can be played offline. What happens if the file gets corrupted? I use a copy that wasn't. What if the drive it's on dies? I use another copy. I'm not sure why you think these are gotcha questions or something.
Helldivers II literally withholds the server from you that prevents it from being playable in the future, and we've got a graveyard full of games built the same way that are all gone. But if a game is playable offline, it can be copied ad infinitum. If it's got LAN, its multiplayer can be played forever. I would spend $40 on Helldivers II if I enjoyed the concept of setting my money on fire, because it's built with an expiration date that doesn't need to be there. If I was looking for that in the same genre as Borderlands, I'd be playing Destiny 2.
At least for me, the idea that a game might someday be unplayable for me doesn't stop me from wanting to enjoy it. I like multiplayer games, and I have neither the means nor interest to host my own servers for them. I've gotten far more than $40 worth of entertainment from Helldivers 2. I think games should stay accessible and not be killed when servers stop hosting, and be available to play offline. However, the lack of those things won't stop me from enjoying something now. I don't consider that money lost, it's spent, as long as I got an equivalent value of entertainment. I didn't set my money on fire, I've gotten hundreds of hours of fun, far more than $40 could buy me elsewhere. I expect to continue enjoying helldivers for years.
You're absolutely right, that games shouldn't be killed when they're no longer supported, and that they should be playable offline and LAN. As things stand though, it's the same as spending money on an amusement park, or movie, or any other form of entertainment. If you're not going to be able to enjoy it without those things, that's your prerogative, but I think you could easily get your money's worth, especially compared to overpriced AAA competitors.
There have been many games delisted over the years. That doesn't mean they are deleted from your account. Prime example is Prey (2006): it had a lot of music in it they had to license from large publishers and when that license expired, they no longer could sell it. They then delisted it in 2009. You can still get the code for Steam on places like eBay, activate it, and download it. It's very very rare that a game is both delisted and purged from CDNs. And in those cases it's because of malware or other suspicious activity (like undisclosed crypto mining, etc IIRC).
tomanI'd do the same thing if the disc scratches. I'd download a cracked version from a weird Polish website.
done. I'll forget 3 exists and continue to ignore that 4 exists. also included is 1 and 2
1 and 2 were legitimately good games.
Pre-Sequel was terrible, 3 was better but still not good.
Can't say I remember enough about the Tell Tale game to have an opinion which may also very well be an opinion. ;)
bread1 wasn't quite polished enough for me, but 2 was a lot of fun. The writing for the other two was horrendous, but I played through 3 for the gameplay loop; I would just turn off audio for a while when they talked too much.
The Telltale game is fine for what it is, but their games are all exposition hallways.
I'm not getting 4 until it's $60 or less - if then.
I'm not getting 4 until it's $60 or less - if then.
It has Denuvo; I wouldn't get it if it was free.
On console, Denuvo isn't an issue. :)
That's right. If you handcuff yourself they don't have to do it for you.
It's a dedicated monotasker, not handcuffs. Consoles have always been that way.
I feel like 1 had the best vibe, 2 had the best story (but also the worst balance) and 3 had the most fun vault hunter designs.
First Telltale game was very good and was one of my favorite Telltale games. Didn't hear great things about three second one.
I just started the second one, which didn't involve Telltale other than the general format. So far, it's awful. But I'll also stick it out, because I have a feeling it's going to be canon, and I came this far through the series.
3 was rough, borderlands shouldve figured out how to present the story with gameplay by now, you end up taking an hour detour where you do nothing often
I certainly remember getting some meaningful and surprising twists in the Telltale game, at least.
sad_detective_mannot hard to do, I played it muted and with the captions off to spare myself from all that quirked up millennial dialogue.
pretty good like that, honestly
Nimacan't make me, sorry! i love borderlands 3. (sorry to interrupt the hateful circlejerk that seems to be in most comment sections for games forums these days.)
Borderlands 3 is fun and I look forward to my next playthrough
Personally, my only complaint is that legendary guns were too common in BL3. I often kept running with the same legendary for 15-20 levels becauae they were still better than the non-legendaries. Why have 18 bajillion guns when there's 20 better ones you can get semi-often?
SquigglezTotally agree with you that the game is still incredibly fun, they've more or less mastered that part. It's the story that got me and I'm not even one to really pay attention to the story in games.
I do hope this next story will at least be bearable (and for the love of God, if they're trying to make us forget BL3, then write out Ava for fucks sake. Better yet, have someone offhandedly mention she died on a random planet.)
I'm apparently the only person who really enjoyed 3 all the way through.
How many times did it crash? I enjoyed it, then it crashed and I didnt enjoy that segment as much, then it crashed again and it was a chore, then I got to the next checkpoint, and then it crashed and I did it again, and then it crashed and now its dead to me.
TwinTitans
Meh, I'd rather not support Randy Pitchmeyourentirewallet.
Better value with indie devs - like Silksong for $20, or Unrailed 2 for $20
Neither of these games are even in the same ballpark genre as Borderlands?
If I want steak for dinner I'm not looking for advice on where to go that includes instead trying a local pizza place.
I mean, if the choice is between $70 [my favorite food] and $20 my other favorite food, im chosing the $20 lunch.
Regardless, there are no doubt games that fill the same genre - idk, Wildgate, Outer Worlds, something where the devs actually value your money.
But only if are a fan of Borderlands 2, right? For any other casual player without attachment to the series, the third entry doesn't seem to bad. I have yet to play. This is just what I get from reading opinions. Is this correct?
3 has a bad story even if you aren't a fan of 2. It's peak middle aged men writing humor that the think teenagers would like. Gameplay is best in the series by far though. (Excluding 4 which I haven't played yet).
For someone who think gameplay is king, I would probably enjoy this game more than 2? Not saying that characters, story, writing, music, graphics and so on are not important; far from.
I, like you, heard the story was bad but figured I could just focus on the gameplay and ignore the writing. Unfortunately, the reason the bad writing is so notorious is that the game is setup to jam it in your face consantly. It's unrelenting.
Imagine playing a pretty decent game while a dead-eyed 50 year old comedian is making the worst jokes you've ever heard in your life while doing a very poor impression of gen-z internet slang they barely understand. The comedian thinks you the player are actually stupid so the jokes are as condescending as they are awful. Now imagine they won't shut up. Every time you do anything in the game, you get a few minutes of these whacky jokes. Accepting a mission, every bullet of the mission, skits that you have to watch before progressing, etc. You have no choice but to engage with the lazy, insulting, horrendous writing that wears thin after minutes and goes on for the entire hours-long game.
There are mods that disable the endless chatter which I can't recommend more highly. I made the misake of playing the game raw. The game is actually pretty fun, but the aggressive garbage of the writing is not something easily ignored.
Hmm, I see. Like any extreme, it can outweigh and be the major pain point (or high point, whatever). Action games with too much cinematic and tutorial can also destroy the fun of an otherwise good game. And if the cinematic and constant chatting and characters are annoying, yeah, that's a pass for me as well.
I've purchased the game for something like 2,99 or so in Steam and thought will play it someday. I'll probably install and test it just because I have it, but after reading comments like yours, I do not think to finish it. Not all games you start needs to be finished.
BTW are those mods integrated into Steam? If so, I'll have it in mind.
I think that's the right approach. Once it starts getting old it won't get better. That being said, the writing of the DLCs does not have the problem of the main story and are often pretty good. If getting access to all your character's abilities wasn't attached to playing the main story I would advise skipping the main game and only playing the DLCs.
BL2 is lightning, and all the others are potato batteries. The 1st game didn't know what it wanted to be. PreSeq did a decent job of walking in the shadow, and it might even be considered underrated by some, but didn't push any envelopes. Nothing it did really stood out. Tina's Assault... exists? I guess? And then there's 3.
BL3 spit in the face of anyone who ever enjoyed anything about BL2 (again, the standard all others in the franchise are measured against); you liked the story set up by 2? This game ignores every single one of those plot hooks and delivers a flaccid mimicry of 2 instead. You liked the playable characters? How about we kill one, and turn two others into talking heads that spit out throwaway dialog in a dlc gamemode. You like the humor? Have a mission that makes you collect poop. You liked the villain? Have obnoxious streaming siblings. You like exploring the world? Sucks to suck, this world is empty.
This big wild rant just to say we all want to forget BL3 happened.
That's what I am saying (and what I get): fans of Borderlands 2 who love the game, are those who hate the sequel Borderlands 3. I compare this kind of to what Disney did to Star Wars... but I digress. What if one never played a Borderlands game before?
To be fair, the villains seem to be annoying; they are just like regular teens today with social media attachment trying to be "cool". Maybe those who never played the games before, and are young and identify themselves with the villains... those could like it? Humor is subjective, so if you don't like it, others may. This wouldn't be the first game "*fans hate it, but everyone else don't care and even like it*"-game in the series.
I thought borderlands 2 was great, but I spent more time playing 3. I'm excited to play 4 but there isn't a chance in hell I'm buying it day one. I want to see what the general reaction to it is before I spend my coin on it.
From what I heard, many others do too.